SHOW CAPTION HIDE Closed Caption: POSSIBLY BREWING, ACTIONAGAINST IRAN.JOING US IS CONGRESSMANKEITH ELLISON IF FROMMINNESOTA.IF IT FAIL WOULD YOU DEVELOPACTION TO STOP THE IRANIANSFROM DEVELOPING A NUCLEARWEAPON.>> NO, I WOULDN'T.I WOULD HAVE TO KNOW MUCH MUCHMORE THAN THAT AT THIS POINT,BILL, WHAT WE KNOW NOW IS THATNEITHER ISRAELI OR AMERICANMILITARY EXPERTS HAVE COME TOTHE CONCLUSION THAT IRAN HASDECIDED TO BUILD A BOMB.THEN THEIR CONCLUSION IS THATIF AND WHEN THAT CONCLUSION ISARRIVED AT BY IRANIAN'SLEADERSHIP IT WILL TAKE A YEARTO DEVELOP ONE.THEN TAKE YEARS TO COME UPWITH DELIVERY SYSTEM.I'M NOT ON YOUR SHOW SAYINGI'M GOING TO AUTHORIZEMILITARY ACTION.THERE IS A LONG WAYS BEFORETHAT WE NEED DIPLOMACY.>> Bill: THEY ARE TRYINGBOUSLY EVERYBODY IS TRYINGDIPLOMACY.THEY ARE NEVER GOING TO GETAND YOU KNOW THIS CONCLUSIVEEVIDENCE ON EITHER SIDE ABOUTWHAT THE IRANIANS ARE DOING.THEY DO IT IN SECRET.FAR UNDERGROUND.ISRAELIS BELIEVE THAT THEY AREVERY CLOSE TO HAVING SOME KINDOF NUCLEAR WEAPON THAT THEYDON'T NECESSARY SOLID TO PUTON A MISSILE BUT THEY CAN PUTIN A SUITCASE AND PUT IT INTEL AVIV.SO, I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYINGBUT IT'S A RISKY PROPOSITIONTO START MILITARY ACTION WHENYOU CAN'T CONVINCE THEAMERICAN PEOPLE LIKE WMD'SWERE IN IRAQ.WE SAID THEY WERE THERE AND WEWENT AND WE COULDN'T FINDTHEM.THERE IS GOING TO BE THAT MINDSET OF YOU BETTER SHOW ME.IT'S GOING TO BE IMPOSSIBLE TOSHOW ANYBODY.IF THEY DO DEVELOP THE NUCLEARWEAPON, CONGRESSMAN, AS YOUKNOW IT'S TOO LATE.>> WELL, LET ME TELL YOU THIS.THE FACT IS IS THATINSPECTIONS ARE GOING ON.>> Bill: NO.THEY HAVE BARRED MOST OFTHE -- THEY HAVE BARRED THEKEY INSPECTIONS AS YOU KNOWAND THEY WENT OVER THERE TWOWEEKS AGO THE U.N. INSPECTORSAND THE IRANIANS SAID YOUCAN'T GO IN OVER THERE EXACTLYWHAT SADDAM HUSSEIN DID.LET HIM COME INTO THE COUNTRYYOU CAN GO THERE BUT NOT COMEHERE.THEY DON'T HAVE UNFETTEREDACCESS YOU KNOW THAT.>> HERE IS WHAT I DO KNOW THATMARTIN DEMPSY, THE CHAIRMAN OFTHE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF HAVESAID THAT WAR WITH IRAN WOULDBE DESTABILIZING.HE SAID THAT THERE IS NO.>> Bill: OF COURSE IT WOULDBE.>> IT WOULD BE FAR WORSE -- ITWOULD BE FAR WORSE THANALLOWING DIPLOMACY TO MOVEFORWARD.WE HAVE HAD ABOUT A SUM TOTALOF ABOUT 45 MINUTES.OF ABOUT 45 MINUTES.>> Bill: LET ME ASK.>> 45 MINUTES OF DIPLOMACY INTHE LAST 40 YEARS, BILL.>> Bill: THAT'S ON YOUR DIMEWITH BARACK OBAMA.IF YOU DON'T THINK DIPLOMACYHAS BEEN THERE.HE HAS HAD THREE YEARS.IT'S ON YOUR PRESIDENT.NOT YOUR PRESIDENT BUT MYPRESIDENT, TOO.I'M NOT HERE TO DEBATE THATISSUE.>> Bill: IS IT MORE DANGEROUSFOR THE IRANIANS TO HAVE ANUCLEAR WEAPON, ALL RIGHT?OR FOR THE WORLD TO BEDESTABILIZED WHICH I AGREEWITH YOU AND GENERAL DEMPSYWOULD HAPPEN IF THE WEREMILITARY ACTION AGAINST IRAN?WHICH IS MORE DANGEROUS IRANHAVING A NUKE ORDESTABILIZATION I THINK IT'SMORE DESTABILIZING TO HAVE ACATASTROPHIC WAR ACROSS THEMIDDLE EAST.>> Bill: THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHTYOU WERE GOING TO SAY YOU AREHONEST MAN THAT'S WHY YOU AREHERE.YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO TRADENO MILITARY ACTION AND WE WILLTRY TO CONTAIN IRAN WHEN THEYGET THE NUCLEAR BOMB ORNUCLEAR DEVICE.>> YOU ARE ALREADY DOWNTOWNBLOCK AND WE HAVEN'T STEPPEDOUT OF THE HOUSE.YOU ARE ALREADY DOWN THE BLOCKAND WE HAVEN'T STEPPED OUT OFTHE HOUSE.>> WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE STEPPEDOUT OF THE HOUSE.THEY HAVE THE SCIENTISTSWORKING ON THEM.THE URANIUM IN PLACE.THEY WON'T LET THE U.N.INSPECTORS IN TO SEE WHAT THEYARE DOING.COME ON.>> INVITE MARTIN DEMPSY ONYOUR SHOW.YOU WILL LEARN DIFFERENT FROMWHAT YOU JUST SAID FACT OF THEMATTER IS.>> Bill: MARTIN DEMPSY HAS NOTSAID ANYTHING LIKE THAT.>> THEY DON'T HAVE A WEAPON.THEY HAVEN'T MADE A DECISIONTO DO ONE.>> Bill: HOW WOULD YOU KNOWTHEY MADE A DECISION TO NOT DOONE?HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT?>> I'M GLAD YOU ASKED.WE HAVE SATELLITE TECHNOLOGY.WE HAVE TECHNOLOGY.>> Bill: THEY ARE UNDERGROUND.THE SATELLITES CAN'T PENETRATETHE EARTH.THEY ARE UNDERGROUND.WE HAVE INSPECTORS GOING ON.>> Bill: THEY WON'T LET THEMGO IN.THEY HAVEN'T.THEY WENT TWO WEEKS AGO ANDTHEY WOULDN'T LET THEM GO IN.>> I'M SORRY, I'M NOT GOING TOBASE A WAR ON A MAYBE.4,409 AMERICANS ARE DEADBECAUSE SOMEBODY -->> Bill: THE REASON WE LIKEYOU AS A GUEST IS BECAUSE YOUARE AN HONEST MAN.I WILL POINT TO HISTORY THESAME MIND SET WAS TAKEN WHENDEALING WITH NAZI, GERMANY.WE DON'T BELIEVE THEY AREGOING TO DO THIS AND DO THATAND THEY ABSOLUTELY DIDEVERYTHING.>> I HAVE GOT TO TELL YOU INWORLD WAR II, THEY ATTACKEDPEARL HARBOR, THAT WOULD BEENOUGH.>> Bill: NO, THIS IS THEGERMAN THEATER NOT THEJAPANESE.>> I'M JUST TELLING YOU YOUARE BRINGING UP THE WORLD WARII CONFLICT.OUR LEADERS THERE TOOK THELIVES OF AMERICAN SERVICEMENAND WOMEN SO SERIOUSLY THATTHEY DIDN'T REST ON A GAMBLE.AND THAT'S THE KIND OFLEADERSHIP THAT I HOPE TO BE.>> Bill: NOW INSTEAD OF APEARL HARBOR ATTACK AND A NUKEATTACK AND THAT'S A WHOLEDIFFERENT DEAL.CONGRESSMAN, ALWAYS GOOD TODEBATED WITH YOU.THANK YOU.>> THANK YOU.