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POSSIBLY BREWING, ACTION
AGAINST IRAN.
JOING US IS CONGRESSMAN
KEITH ELLISON IF FROM
MINNESOTA.
IF IT FAIL WOULD YOU DEVELOP
ACTION TO STOP THE IRANIANS
FROM DEVELOPING A NUCLEAR
WEAPON.
>> NO, I WOULDN'T.
I WOULD HAVE TO KNOW MUCH MUCH
MORE THAN THAT AT THIS POINT,
BILL, WHAT WE KNOW NOW IS THAT
NEITHER ISRAELI OR AMERICAN
MILITARY EXPERTS HAVE COME TO
THE CONCLUSION THAT IRAN HAS
DECIDED TO BUILD A BOMB.
THEN THEIR CONCLUSION IS THAT
IF AND WHEN THAT CONCLUSION IS
ARRIVED AT BY IRANIAN'S
LEADERSHIP IT WILL TAKE A YEAR
TO DEVELOP ONE.
THEN TAKE YEARS TO COME UP
WITH DELIVERY SYSTEM.
I'M NOT ON YOUR SHOW SAYING
I'M GOING TO AUTHORIZE
MILITARY ACTION.
THERE IS A LONG WAYS BEFORE
THAT WE NEED DIPLOMACY.
>> Bill: THEY ARE TRYING
BOUSLY EVERYBODY IS TRYING
DIPLOMACY.
THEY ARE NEVER GOING TO GET
AND YOU KNOW THIS CONCLUSIVE
EVIDENCE ON EITHER SIDE ABOUT
WHAT THE IRANIANS ARE DOING.
THEY DO IT IN SECRET.
FAR UNDERGROUND.
ISRAELIS BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE
VERY CLOSE TO HAVING SOME KIND
OF NUCLEAR WEAPON THAT THEY
DON'T NECESSARY SOLID TO PUT
ON A MISSILE BUT THEY CAN PUT
IN A SUITCASE AND PUT IT IN
TEL AVIV.
SO, I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING
BUT IT'S A RISKY PROPOSITION
TO START MILITARY ACTION WHEN
YOU CAN'T CONVINCE THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE LIKE WMD'S
WERE IN IRAQ.
WE SAID THEY WERE THERE AND WE
WENT AND WE COULDN'T FIND
THEM.
THERE IS GOING TO BE THAT MIND
SET OF YOU BETTER SHOW ME.
IT'S GOING TO BE IMPOSSIBLE TO
SHOW ANYBODY.
IF THEY DO DEVELOP THE NUCLEAR
WEAPON, CONGRESSMAN, AS YOU
KNOW IT'S TOO LATE.
>> WELL, LET ME TELL YOU THIS.
THE FACT IS IS THAT
INSPECTIONS ARE GOING ON.
>> Bill: NO.
THEY HAVE BARRED MOST OF
THE -- THEY HAVE BARRED THE
KEY INSPECTIONS AS YOU KNOW
AND THEY WENT OVER THERE TWO
WEEKS AGO THE U.N. INSPECTORS
AND THE IRANIANS SAID YOU
CAN'T GO IN OVER THERE EXACTLY
WHAT SADDAM HUSSEIN DID.
LET HIM COME INTO THE COUNTRY
YOU CAN GO THERE BUT NOT COME
HERE.
THEY DON'T HAVE UNFETTERED
ACCESS YOU KNOW THAT.
>> HERE IS WHAT I DO KNOW THAT
MARTIN DEMPSY, THE CHAIRMAN OF
THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF HAVE
SAID THAT WAR WITH IRAN WOULD
BE DESTABILIZING.
HE SAID THAT THERE IS NO.
>> Bill: OF COURSE IT WOULD
BE.
>> IT WOULD BE FAR WORSE -- IT
WOULD BE FAR WORSE THAN
ALLOWING DIPLOMACY TO MOVE
FORWARD.
WE HAVE HAD ABOUT A SUM TOTAL
OF ABOUT 45 MINUTES.
OF ABOUT 45 MINUTES.
>> Bill: LET ME ASK.
>> 45 MINUTES OF DIPLOMACY IN
THE LAST 40 YEARS, BILL.
>> Bill: THAT'S ON YOUR DIME
WITH BARACK OBAMA.
IF YOU DON'T THINK DIPLOMACY
HAS BEEN THERE.
HE HAS HAD THREE YEARS.
IT'S ON YOUR PRESIDENT.
NOT YOUR PRESIDENT BUT MY
PRESIDENT, TOO.
I'M NOT HERE TO DEBATE THAT
ISSUE.
>> Bill: IS IT MORE DANGEROUS
FOR THE IRANIANS TO HAVE A
NUCLEAR WEAPON, ALL RIGHT?
OR FOR THE WORLD TO BE
DESTABILIZED WHICH I AGREE
WITH YOU AND GENERAL DEMPSY
WOULD HAPPEN IF THE WERE
MILITARY ACTION AGAINST IRAN?
WHICH IS MORE DANGEROUS IRAN
HAVING A NUKE OR
DESTABILIZATION I THINK IT'S
MORE DESTABILIZING TO HAVE A
CATASTROPHIC WAR ACROSS THE
MIDDLE EAST.
>> Bill: THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT
YOU WERE GOING TO SAY YOU ARE
HONEST MAN THAT'S WHY YOU ARE
HERE.
YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO TRADE
NO MILITARY ACTION AND WE WILL
TRY TO CONTAIN IRAN WHEN THEY
GET THE NUCLEAR BOMB OR
NUCLEAR DEVICE.
>> YOU ARE ALREADY DOWNTOWN
BLOCK AND WE HAVEN'T STEPPED
OUT OF THE HOUSE.
YOU ARE ALREADY DOWN THE BLOCK
AND WE HAVEN'T STEPPED OUT OF
THE HOUSE.
>> WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE STEPPED
OUT OF THE HOUSE.
THEY HAVE THE SCIENTISTS
WORKING ON THEM.
THE URANIUM IN PLACE.
THEY WON'T LET THE U.N.
INSPECTORS IN TO SEE WHAT THEY
ARE DOING.
COME ON.
>> INVITE MARTIN DEMPSY ON
YOUR SHOW.
YOU WILL LEARN DIFFERENT FROM
WHAT YOU JUST SAID FACT OF THE
MATTER IS.
>> Bill: MARTIN DEMPSY HAS NOT
SAID ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
>> THEY DON'T HAVE A WEAPON.
THEY HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION
TO DO ONE.
>> Bill: HOW WOULD YOU KNOW
THEY MADE A DECISION TO NOT DO
ONE?
HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT?
>> I'M GLAD YOU ASKED.
WE HAVE SATELLITE TECHNOLOGY.
WE HAVE TECHNOLOGY.
>> Bill: THEY ARE UNDERGROUND.
THE SATELLITES CAN'T PENETRATE
THE EARTH.
THEY ARE UNDERGROUND.
WE HAVE INSPECTORS GOING ON.
>> Bill: THEY WON'T LET THEM
GO IN.
THEY HAVEN'T.
THEY WENT TWO WEEKS AGO AND
THEY WOULDN'T LET THEM GO IN.
>> I'M SORRY, I'M NOT GOING TO
BASE A WAR ON A MAYBE.
4,409 AMERICANS ARE DEAD
BECAUSE SOMEBODY --
>> Bill: THE REASON WE LIKE
YOU AS A GUEST IS BECAUSE YOU
ARE AN HONEST MAN.
I WILL POINT TO HISTORY THE
SAME MIND SET WAS TAKEN WHEN
DEALING WITH NAZI, GERMANY.
WE DON'T BELIEVE THEY ARE
GOING TO DO THIS AND DO THAT
AND THEY ABSOLUTELY DID
EVERYTHING.
>> I HAVE GOT TO TELL YOU IN
WORLD WAR II, THEY ATTACKED
PEARL HARBOR, THAT WOULD BE
ENOUGH.
>> Bill: NO, THIS IS THE
GERMAN THEATER NOT THE
JAPANESE.
>> I'M JUST TELLING YOU YOU
ARE BRINGING UP THE WORLD WAR
II CONFLICT.
OUR LEADERS THERE TOOK THE
LIVES OF AMERICAN SERVICEMEN
AND WOMEN SO SERIOUSLY THAT
THEY DIDN'T REST ON A GAMBLE.
AND THAT'S THE KIND OF
LEADERSHIP THAT I HOPE TO BE.
>> Bill: NOW INSTEAD OF A
PEARL HARBOR ATTACK AND A NUKE
ATTACK AND THAT'S A WHOLE
DIFFERENT DEAL.
CONGRESSMAN, ALWAYS GOOD TO
DEBATED WITH YOU.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.